I think you'll really like these. They're also interesting to me in that she's Christian, obviously, and he's an atheist. And it's not a nonissue, but it's just . . . one more way they are such completely different people who just happen to be connected somewhere really deep down.

Definitely talking about the second kind of homophobia -- the internalized kind. I mean, this book is superficially about violently expressed homophobia, but the conversation I was thinking of was all about this guy who is fifty and ex-military unpacking for the first time his latent internalized homophobia and being like "....I had no idea I thought that way." Interesting stuff.